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		<title>by: Timothy Sykes - Stock Trader, Author, Entrepreneur &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Breakouts And Breakdowns Galore, Brand These Charts Into Your Brains</title>
		<link>http://www.investorgeeks.com/articles/2008/02/18/is-value-investing-for-chumps-or-wussies/#comment-273616</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Check it out, a little sissy value investor tries not to be boring! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Check it out, a little sissy value investor tries not to be boring! [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.investorgeeks.com/articles/2008/02/18/is-value-investing-for-chumps-or-wussies/#comment-273258</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tim,

I checked your site and your story is quite compelling.  I agree with you that micro-caps are *usually* the right place to be, since there is far less study done on the companies and often wide disparities between price and intrinsic value (in both directions).

What role do you see mentality playing in the difference between successful and unsuccessful trading?</description>
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<p>I checked your site and your story is quite compelling.  I agree with you that micro-caps are *usually* the right place to be, since there is far less study done on the companies and often wide disparities between price and intrinsic value (in both directions).</p>
<p>What role do you see mentality playing in the difference between successful and unsuccessful trading?
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		<title>by: Timothy Sykes</title>
		<link>http://www.investorgeeks.com/articles/2008/02/18/is-value-investing-for-chumps-or-wussies/#comment-273159</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"I am not slavishly devoted to following the markets." Couldn't have said it any better myself. But perhaps you havent read my book, if you did, you'd see that microcap trading is very diffferent from the rest, due to the nature of the beast, the best opportunities--like your Wash Post--only come about every few weeks or months. If you enter at these incredibly irrational points, ll you have to do is sit back and watch your profits grow. Thats how some of my best profits have come and why while I think trading is better than investing, microcap trading is better than the rest of trading. Contrary to popular belief, my strategy is at the top of the food chain, not the bottom, I just gotta show you all what I mean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not slavishly devoted to following the markets.&#8221; Couldn&#8217;t have said it any better myself. But perhaps you havent read my book, if you did, you&#8217;d see that microcap trading is very diffferent from the rest, due to the nature of the beast, the best opportunities&#8211;like your Wash Post&#8211;only come about every few weeks or months. If you enter at these incredibly irrational points, ll you have to do is sit back and watch your profits grow. Thats how some of my best profits have come and why while I think trading is better than investing, microcap trading is better than the rest of trading. Contrary to popular belief, my strategy is at the top of the food chain, not the bottom, I just gotta show you all what I mean!
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		<title>by: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.investorgeeks.com/articles/2008/02/18/is-value-investing-for-chumps-or-wussies/#comment-273075</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Value investing may be boring - but at its core, "investing" is not about the thrill of speed - its about getting more value than you paid for.  Let's not forget that lots of traders lose money.  True, many make substantial sums, but many more find life quite difficult.

Recently, trading has been great, because there has been enormous volatility, but even shark traders have been known to go bust.

The thing about value investing is that it success is generally driven by a few positions - Buffett's single greatest investment was his $11 million purchase of 15% of the Washington Post in 1974.  At the time, the paper was trading at a market cap of $85 million, when the lowest estimate he could put on it was $400 million.  Such investment opportunities are rare, but today that investment is worth $1.5-$1.7bn and produces more dividend income every year than Buffett's original investment.

That's the kind of boring I want.  True, I don't make many transactions and I often do not often get the thrill of saying "I made X dollars today (unless there is a tender for my shares), but I generate solid returns in pursuit of my own objectives and I am not slavishly devoted to following the markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Value investing may be boring - but at its core, &#8220;investing&#8221; is not about the thrill of speed - its about getting more value than you paid for.  Let&#8217;s not forget that lots of traders lose money.  True, many make substantial sums, but many more find life quite difficult.</p>
<p>Recently, trading has been great, because there has been enormous volatility, but even shark traders have been known to go bust.</p>
<p>The thing about value investing is that it success is generally driven by a few positions - Buffett&#8217;s single greatest investment was his $11 million purchase of 15% of the Washington Post in 1974.  At the time, the paper was trading at a market cap of $85 million, when the lowest estimate he could put on it was $400 million.  Such investment opportunities are rare, but today that investment is worth $1.5-$1.7bn and produces more dividend income every year than Buffett&#8217;s original investment.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the kind of boring I want.  True, I don&#8217;t make many transactions and I often do not often get the thrill of saying &#8220;I made X dollars today (unless there is a tender for my shares), but I generate solid returns in pursuit of my own objectives and I am not slavishly devoted to following the markets.
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		<title>by: Timothy Sykes</title>
		<link>http://www.investorgeeks.com/articles/2008/02/18/is-value-investing-for-chumps-or-wussies/#comment-271566</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You don't think the market builds character because with your strategy, you'll never build character! We can go back and forth, but its just too boring to me--different strokes for different folks.

Just know that I'm gonna spice things up  because I've become all too aware that the vast majority know little about the stock market--they just don't care. That is sad. Value investors are directly responsible for this, you think its only about gains and losses, you miss the thousands of beautiful subtleties. You've read  my book you know what I mean.  Ego aside, it's time I show you sissies how to get people interested in this wonderful game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t think the market builds character because with your strategy, you&#8217;ll never build character! We can go back and forth, but its just too boring to me&#8211;different strokes for different folks.</p>
<p>Just know that I&#8217;m gonna spice things up  because I&#8217;ve become all too aware that the vast majority know little about the stock market&#8211;they just don&#8217;t care. That is sad. Value investors are directly responsible for this, you think its only about gains and losses, you miss the thousands of beautiful subtleties. You&#8217;ve read  my book you know what I mean.  Ego aside, it&#8217;s time I show you sissies how to get people interested in this wonderful game
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		<title>by: Christian Gross</title>
		<link>http://www.investorgeeks.com/articles/2008/02/18/is-value-investing-for-chumps-or-wussies/#comment-271542</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't agree that because Buffett did it 50 years ago it is not possible today. It is possible today. 

To say value investing is just valuing the worth of a company is actually not correct. That is one of the pieces, but you also need know when to time your purchases. Even value investors want returns.

Where I disgree completely is the booring and character bits. I personally don't think the market  is about building character. Its about plotting your moments to win. Nothing to do with character, but cold calculating actions.

Want to really know something interesting about value investing? If you do it right you get to play the cards when everybody else is panicing. You get to scoop up when everybody is crying chicken little.

Take the instance where Buffett wanted to bail out the bond re-insurers. That was classic Buffet. Buy on the mega cheap and piss off people because they had to admit that Buffett is right and holding all of the cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that because Buffett did it 50 years ago it is not possible today. It is possible today. </p>
<p>To say value investing is just valuing the worth of a company is actually not correct. That is one of the pieces, but you also need know when to time your purchases. Even value investors want returns.</p>
<p>Where I disgree completely is the booring and character bits. I personally don&#8217;t think the market  is about building character. Its about plotting your moments to win. Nothing to do with character, but cold calculating actions.</p>
<p>Want to really know something interesting about value investing? If you do it right you get to play the cards when everybody else is panicing. You get to scoop up when everybody is crying chicken little.</p>
<p>Take the instance where Buffett wanted to bail out the bond re-insurers. That was classic Buffet. Buy on the mega cheap and piss off people because they had to admit that Buffett is right and holding all of the cards.
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		<title>by: Timothy Sykes</title>
		<link>http://www.investorgeeks.com/articles/2008/02/18/is-value-investing-for-chumps-or-wussies/#comment-271461</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>True Buffett did it, but he's one in a million and that was 50 years ago! Where are all of today's value investors making such returns? I know there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of traders who can make such returns, probly through the use of leverage, which I look down on.

More importantly, value investors are booooooooooooring. Trading builds character. You don't just value a company's worth, you have to value a company's worth during infinite slices of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Buffett did it, but he&#8217;s one in a million and that was 50 years ago! Where are all of today&#8217;s value investors making such returns? I know there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of traders who can make such returns, probly through the use of leverage, which I look down on.</p>
<p>More importantly, value investors are booooooooooooring. Trading builds character. You don&#8217;t just value a company&#8217;s worth, you have to value a company&#8217;s worth during infinite slices of time.
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